Topic de HommeFraiseBG10 :

[ALERTE] Russie/Ukraine… Suite/suite

Le 08 mai 2025 à 02:31:00 :

Le 08 mai 2025 à 00:34:35 :

Le 08 mai 2025 à 00:06:35 :
https://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2025/19/4/1746655499-unknown.jpeg demain nous célébrerons la victoire face à l'occupant allemand, au nom de tous les patriotes français, et ils sont nombreux sur ce topic, un grand merci aux russes d'avoir ANEANTI l'occupant :cimer:

C'est juste dommage que l'occupant russe actuel, plus précisément son pouvoir et une partie de son armée, perpétuent les mêmes actes immondes que ceux qu'ils ont vaincu

Même inhumanité, même logique prédatrice, même impérialisme, etc.

je les remercie pour avoir libéré notre pays de l'envahisseur, toi non ?

Je pense avant tout aux soldats ukrainiens, estoniens, lituaniens, lettons, géorgiens, arméniens, et autres, qui ont été sacrifié par l'URSS.

Le 08 mai 2025 à 10:24:20 :

Le 08 mai 2025 à 02:31:00 :

Le 08 mai 2025 à 00:34:35 :

Le 08 mai 2025 à 00:06:35 :
https://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2025/19/4/1746655499-unknown.jpeg demain nous célébrerons la victoire face à l'occupant allemand, au nom de tous les patriotes français, et ils sont nombreux sur ce topic, un grand merci aux russes d'avoir ANEANTI l'occupant :cimer:

C'est juste dommage que l'occupant russe actuel, plus précisément son pouvoir et une partie de son armée, perpétuent les mêmes actes immondes que ceux qu'ils ont vaincu

Même inhumanité, même logique prédatrice, même impérialisme, etc.

je les remercie pour avoir libéré notre pays de l'envahisseur, toi non ?

Je pense avant tout aux soldats ukrainiens, estoniens, lituaniens, lettons, géorgiens, arméniens, et autres, qui ont été sacrifié par l'URSS.

les ukrainix désespérés qui pensent qu'être nazi va leur attirer de la sympathie

C'est le 8 donc aujourd'hui qu'on fête la victoire lors de la WW2 en France, pas le 9 https://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2017/15/1492340491-jesus32.png

Le 08 mai 2025 à 02:31:00 :

Le 08 mai 2025 à 00:34:35 :

Le 08 mai 2025 à 00:06:35 :
https://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2025/19/4/1746655499-unknown.jpeg demain nous célébrerons la victoire face à l'occupant allemand, au nom de tous les patriotes français, et ils sont nombreux sur ce topic, un grand merci aux russes d'avoir ANEANTI l'occupant :cimer:

C'est juste dommage que l'occupant russe actuel, plus précisément son pouvoir et une partie de son armée, perpétuent les mêmes actes immondes que ceux qu'ils ont vaincu

Même inhumanité, même logique prédatrice, même impérialisme, etc.

je les remercie pour avoir libéré notre pays de l'envahisseur, toi non ?

https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lib%C3%A9ration_de_la_France
Libération de la France

https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chronologie_de_la_Lib%C3%A9ration_en_France
Chronologie de la Libération en France

J'ai beau chercher, je vois pas une seule ligne parlant de l'URSS https://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2018/10/1/1520260980-risitas94.png

USA, Britanniques, Canada, Maroc, Pologne même !

Mais pas une seule division soviétique :ok:

Puis bon, Staline/URSS :

  • Responsable de massacres équivalent au H
  • Partage de la Pologne avec le H en 39
  • Pas bougé jusqu'à ce que le H les envahisse 3 ans plus tard
  • Occupe la moitié de l'Europe pendant 50 ans en instaurant des régimes dictatoriaux, Stasi, etc
  • Fini en beauté en faisant péter Tchernobyl, qui a bien failli rendre invivable toute l'Europe

C'est ça qu'il faudrait remercier ? :rire:

Le 08 mai 2025 à 10:24:20 :

Le 08 mai 2025 à 02:31:00 :

Le 08 mai 2025 à 00:34:35 :

Le 08 mai 2025 à 00:06:35 :
https://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2025/19/4/1746655499-unknown.jpeg demain nous célébrerons la victoire face à l'occupant allemand, au nom de tous les patriotes français, et ils sont nombreux sur ce topic, un grand merci aux russes d'avoir ANEANTI l'occupant :cimer:

C'est juste dommage que l'occupant russe actuel, plus précisément son pouvoir et une partie de son armée, perpétuent les mêmes actes immondes que ceux qu'ils ont vaincu

Même inhumanité, même logique prédatrice, même impérialisme, etc.

je les remercie pour avoir libéré notre pays de l'envahisseur, toi non ?

Je pense avant tout aux soldats ukrainiens, estoniens, lituaniens, lettons, géorgiens, arméniens, et autres, qui ont été sacrifié par l'URSS.

Et pas aux russes ?

Le 08 mai 2025 à 09:32:34 :

Le 08 mai 2025 à 00:06:35 :
https://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2025/19/4/1746655499-unknown.jpeg demain nous célébrerons la victoire face à l'occupant allemand, au nom de tous les patriotes français, et ils sont nombreux sur ce topic, un grand merci aux russes d'avoir ANEANTI l'occupant :cimer:

Croire que les pro Ukraine vont fêter une défaite de leurs idéologies :rire:

On sent comme un immense regret :o))

Le 08 mai 2025 à 11:42:02 :

Le 08 mai 2025 à 02:31:00 :

Le 08 mai 2025 à 00:34:35 :

Le 08 mai 2025 à 00:06:35 :
https://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2025/19/4/1746655499-unknown.jpeg demain nous célébrerons la victoire face à l'occupant allemand, au nom de tous les patriotes français, et ils sont nombreux sur ce topic, un grand merci aux russes d'avoir ANEANTI l'occupant :cimer:

C'est juste dommage que l'occupant russe actuel, plus précisément son pouvoir et une partie de son armée, perpétuent les mêmes actes immondes que ceux qu'ils ont vaincu

Même inhumanité, même logique prédatrice, même impérialisme, etc.

je les remercie pour avoir libéré notre pays de l'envahisseur, toi non ?

https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lib%C3%A9ration_de_la_France
Libération de la France

https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chronologie_de_la_Lib%C3%A9ration_en_France
Chronologie de la Libération en France

J'ai beau chercher, je vois pas une seule ligne parlant de l'URSS https://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2018/10/1/1520260980-risitas94.png

USA, Britanniques, Canada, Maroc, Pologne même !

Mais pas une seule division soviétique :ok:

Puis bon, Staline/URSS :

  • Responsable de massacres équivalent au H
  • Partage de la Pologne avec le H en 39
  • Pas bougé jusqu'à ce que le H les envahisse 3 ans plus tard
  • Occupe la moitié de l'Europe pendant 50 ans en instaurant des régimes dictatoriaux, Stasi, etc
  • Fini en beauté en faisant péter Tchernobyl, qui a bien failli rendre invivable toute l'Europe

C'est ça qu'il faudrait remercier ? :rire:

Les Français de 1945 savaient très bien à qui ils devaient leur liberté, à l'Armée rouge, victorieuse à Moscou, à Stalingrad et à Koursk.

L'alternative aux dictatures en Europe de l'est c'était l'extermination pure et simple de ses habitants au profit de colons allemands. Donc je pense qu'effectivement, ils pourraient remercier les Soviétiques.

Le 08 mai 2025 à 09:55:16 :

Le 08 mai 2025 à 02:31:00 :

Le 08 mai 2025 à 00:34:35 :

Le 08 mai 2025 à 00:06:35 :
https://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2025/19/4/1746655499-unknown.jpeg demain nous célébrerons la victoire face à l'occupant allemand, au nom de tous les patriotes français, et ils sont nombreux sur ce topic, un grand merci aux russes d'avoir ANEANTI l'occupant :cimer:

C'est juste dommage que l'occupant russe actuel, plus précisément son pouvoir et une partie de son armée, perpétuent les mêmes actes immondes que ceux qu'ils ont vaincu

Même inhumanité, même logique prédatrice, même impérialisme, etc.

je les remercie pour avoir libéré notre pays de l'envahisseur, toi non ?

merci!
next

Un éternel merci

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lend-Lease

"According to the Russian historian Boris Vadimovich Sokolov, Lend-Lease had a crucial role in winning the war:

On the whole the following conclusion can be drawn: that without these Western shipments under Lend-Lease the Soviet Union not only would not have been able to win the Great Patriotic War, it would not have been able even to oppose the German invaders, since it could not itself produce sufficient quantities of arms and military equipment or adequate supplies of fuel and ammunition. The Soviet authorities were well aware of this dependency on Lend-Lease. Thus, Stalin told Harry Hopkins [FDR's emissary to Moscow in July 1941] that the U.S.S.R. could not match Germany's might as an occupier of Europe and its resources."

"Nikita Khrushchev, having served as a military commissar and intermediary between Stalin and his generals during the war, addressed directly the significance of Lend-lease aid in his memoirs:

I would like to express my candid opinion about Stalin's views on whether the Red Army and the Soviet Union could have coped with Nazi Germany and survived the war without aid from the United States and Britain. First, I would like to tell about some remarks Stalin made and repeated several times when we were "discussing freely" among ourselves. He stated bluntly that if the United States had not helped us, we would not have won the war. If we had had to fight Nazi Germany one on one, we could not have stood up against Germany's pressure, and we would have lost the war. No one ever discussed this subject officially, and I don't think Stalin left any written evidence of his opinion, but I will state here that several times in conversations with me he noted that these were the actual circumstances. He never made a special point of holding a conversation on the subject, but when we were engaged in some kind of relaxed conversation, going over international questions of the past and present, and when we would return to the subject of the path we had traveled during the war, that is what he said. When I listened to his remarks, I was fully in agreement with him, and today I am even more so."

"In a confidential interview with the wartime correspondent Konstantin Simonov, the Soviet Marshal Georgy Zhukov is quoted as saying:

Today [1963] some say the Allies didn't really help us ... But listen, one cannot deny that the Americans shipped over to us material without which we could not have equipped our armies held in reserve or been able to continue the war."

https://www.rbth.com/defence/2016/03/14/lend-lease-how-american-supplies-aided-the-ussr-in-its-darkest-hour_575559

""Your decision, Mr. President, to give the Soviet Union an interest-free credit of $1 billion in the form of materiel supplies and raw materials has been accepted by the Soviet government with heartfelt gratitude as urgent aid to the Soviet Union in its enormous and difficult fight against the common enemy bloodthirsty Hitlerism," Stalin wrote to Roosevelt."

https://www.rferl.org/a/did-us-lend-lease-aid-tip-the-balance-in-soviet-fight-against-nazi-germany/30599486.html

"Soviet dictator Josef Stalin raised a toast to the Lend-Lease program at the November 1943 Tehran conference with British Prime Minister Winston Churchill and U.S. President Franklin Roosevelt.

"I want to tell you what, from the Russian point of view, the president and the United States have done for victory in this war," Stalin said. "The most important things in this war are the machines.... The United States is a country of machines. Without the machines we received through Lend-Lease, we would have lost the war.""

"However, the real significance of Lend-Lease for the Soviet war effort was that it covered the "sensitive points" of Soviet production -- gasoline, explosives, aluminum, nonferrous metals, radio communications, and so on, says historian Boris Sokolov.

"In a hypothetical battle one-on-one between the U.S.S.R and Germany, without the help of Lend-Lease and without the diversion of significant forces of the Luftwaffe and the German Navy and the diversion of more than one-quarter of its land forces in the fight against Britain and the United States, Stalin could hardly have beaten Hitler," Sokolov wrote in an essay for RFE/RL's Russian Service."

Un grand merci

Le 08 mai 2025 à 11:47:14 :

Le 08 mai 2025 à 11:42:02 :

Le 08 mai 2025 à 02:31:00 :

Le 08 mai 2025 à 00:34:35 :

Le 08 mai 2025 à 00:06:35 :
https://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2025/19/4/1746655499-unknown.jpeg demain nous célébrerons la victoire face à l'occupant allemand, au nom de tous les patriotes français, et ils sont nombreux sur ce topic, un grand merci aux russes d'avoir ANEANTI l'occupant :cimer:

C'est juste dommage que l'occupant russe actuel, plus précisément son pouvoir et une partie de son armée, perpétuent les mêmes actes immondes que ceux qu'ils ont vaincu

Même inhumanité, même logique prédatrice, même impérialisme, etc.

je les remercie pour avoir libéré notre pays de l'envahisseur, toi non ?

https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lib%C3%A9ration_de_la_France
Libération de la France

https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chronologie_de_la_Lib%C3%A9ration_en_France
Chronologie de la Libération en France

J'ai beau chercher, je vois pas une seule ligne parlant de l'URSS https://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2018/10/1/1520260980-risitas94.png

USA, Britanniques, Canada, Maroc, Pologne même !

Mais pas une seule division soviétique :ok:

Puis bon, Staline/URSS :

  • Responsable de massacres équivalent au H
  • Partage de la Pologne avec le H en 39
  • Pas bougé jusqu'à ce que le H les envahisse 3 ans plus tard
  • Occupe la moitié de l'Europe pendant 50 ans en instaurant des régimes dictatoriaux, Stasi, etc
  • Fini en beauté en faisant péter Tchernobyl, qui a bien failli rendre invivable toute l'Europe

C'est ça qu'il faudrait remercier ? :rire:

Les Français de 1945 savaient très bien à qui ils devaient leur liberté, à l'Armée rouge, victorieuse à Moscou, à Stalingrad et à Koursk.

L'alternative aux dictatures en Europe de l'est c'était l'extermination pure et simple de ses habitants au profit de colons allemands. Donc je pense qu'effectivement, ils pourraient remercier les Soviétiques.

Il ne remercie pas ceux qui ont permis la libération de notre pays, c'est noté

Le 08 mai 2025 à 11:47:14 Sinraptor a écrit :

Le 08 mai 2025 à 11:42:02 :

Le 08 mai 2025 à 02:31:00 :

Le 08 mai 2025 à 00:34:35 :

Le 08 mai 2025 à 00:06:35 :
https://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2025/19/4/1746655499-unknown.jpeg demain nous célébrerons la victoire face à l'occupant allemand, au nom de tous les patriotes français, et ils sont nombreux sur ce topic, un grand merci aux russes d'avoir ANEANTI l'occupant :cimer:

C'est juste dommage que l'occupant russe actuel, plus précisément son pouvoir et une partie de son armée, perpétuent les mêmes actes immondes que ceux qu'ils ont vaincu

Même inhumanité, même logique prédatrice, même impérialisme, etc.

je les remercie pour avoir libéré notre pays de l'envahisseur, toi non ?

https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lib%C3%A9ration_de_la_France
Libération de la France

https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chronologie_de_la_Lib%C3%A9ration_en_France
Chronologie de la Libération en France

J'ai beau chercher, je vois pas une seule ligne parlant de l'URSS https://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2018/10/1/1520260980-risitas94.png

USA, Britanniques, Canada, Maroc, Pologne même !

Mais pas une seule division soviétique :ok:

Puis bon, Staline/URSS :

  • Responsable de massacres équivalent au H
  • Partage de la Pologne avec le H en 39
  • Pas bougé jusqu'à ce que le H les envahisse 3 ans plus tard
  • Occupe la moitié de l'Europe pendant 50 ans en instaurant des régimes dictatoriaux, Stasi, etc
  • Fini en beauté en faisant péter Tchernobyl, qui a bien failli rendre invivable toute l'Europe

C'est ça qu'il faudrait remercier ? :rire:

Les Français de 1945 savaient très bien à qui ils devaient leur liberté, à l'Armée rouge, victorieuse à Moscou, à Stalingrad et à Koursk.

L'alternative aux dictatures en Europe de l'est c'était l'extermination pure et simple de ses habitants au profit de colons allemands. Donc je pense qu'effectivement, ils pourraient remercier les Soviétiques.

https://winstonchurchill.org/publications/finest-hour/finest-hour-150/golden-eggs-the-secret-war-1940-1945-part-ii-intelligence-and-the-eastern-front/

" the Germans prepared their third Eastern offensive, against the Soviet forces in the Kursk Salient, more and more of the actual German orders for the planned attack were decrypted at Bletchley. Once more, the British were able to alert Soviet Military Intelligence. One of the most important decrypts to be shown to Churchill was a Tunny decrypt of 25 April 1943. It contained a detailed German appreciation of the Soviet order of battle before the German offensive in the Kursk Salient.[32]

Churchill made sure that this information was passed to Moscow, two months before the offensive was to open, together with detailed estimates, likewise based on the Germans’ own top secret signals, of the strength and composition of the German divisions deployed around the Salient or the Kursk and Orel pincer movements. This information alerted the Soviet High Command to exactly what the Germans knew of what was facing them, enabling the Soviet High Command to alter the balance of the facing forces to Soviet advantage. The Battle of Kursk was the last and fatal attempt by the German Army to continue its eastward advance."

https://www.historynet.com/did-russia-really-go-it-alone-how-lend-lease-helped-the-soviets-defeat-the-germans/

« it shows that British Lend-Lease assistance to the Soviet Union in late 1941 and early 1942 played a far more significant part in the defense of Moscow and the revival of Soviet fortunes in late 1941 than has been acknowledged.

Particularly important for the Soviets in late 1941 were British-supplied tanks and aircraft. »

« The tanks reached the front lines with extraordinary speed. Extrapolating from available statistics, researchers estimate that British-supplied tanks made up 30 to 40 percent of the entire heavy and medium tank strength of Soviet forces before Moscow at the beginning of December 1941, and certainly made up a significant proportion of tanks available as reinforcements at this critical point in the fighting. By the end of 1941 Britain had delivered 466 tanks out of the 750 promised. »

« The first of these units to have seen action seems to have been the 138th Independent Tank Battalion (with twenty-one British tanks), which was involved in stemming the advance of German units in the region of the Volga Reservoir to the north of Moscow in late November. In fact the British intercepted German communications indicating that German forces had first come in contact with British tanks on the Eastern front on November 26, 1941. »

« The exploits of the British-equipped 136th Independent Tank Battalion are perhaps the most widely noted in the archives. »

« Other largely British-equipped tank units in action with the Western Front from early December were the 131st Independent Tank Brigade, which fought to the east of Tula, south of Moscow, and 146th Tank Brigade, in the region of Kriukovo to the immediate west of the Soviet capital. »

Merci Churchill pour Moscou et Koursk

Le 08 mai 2025 à 11:53:15 :
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lend-Lease

"According to the Russian historian Boris Vadimovich Sokolov, Lend-Lease had a crucial role in winning the war:

On the whole the following conclusion can be drawn: that without these Western shipments under Lend-Lease the Soviet Union not only would not have been able to win the Great Patriotic War, it would not have been able even to oppose the German invaders, since it could not itself produce sufficient quantities of arms and military equipment or adequate supplies of fuel and ammunition. The Soviet authorities were well aware of this dependency on Lend-Lease. Thus, Stalin told Harry Hopkins [FDR's emissary to Moscow in July 1941] that the U.S.S.R. could not match Germany's might as an occupier of Europe and its resources."

"Nikita Khrushchev, having served as a military commissar and intermediary between Stalin and his generals during the war, addressed directly the significance of Lend-lease aid in his memoirs:

I would like to express my candid opinion about Stalin's views on whether the Red Army and the Soviet Union could have coped with Nazi Germany and survived the war without aid from the United States and Britain. First, I would like to tell about some remarks Stalin made and repeated several times when we were "discussing freely" among ourselves. He stated bluntly that if the United States had not helped us, we would not have won the war. If we had had to fight Nazi Germany one on one, we could not have stood up against Germany's pressure, and we would have lost the war. No one ever discussed this subject officially, and I don't think Stalin left any written evidence of his opinion, but I will state here that several times in conversations with me he noted that these were the actual circumstances. He never made a special point of holding a conversation on the subject, but when we were engaged in some kind of relaxed conversation, going over international questions of the past and present, and when we would return to the subject of the path we had traveled during the war, that is what he said. When I listened to his remarks, I was fully in agreement with him, and today I am even more so."

"In a confidential interview with the wartime correspondent Konstantin Simonov, the Soviet Marshal Georgy Zhukov is quoted as saying:

Today [1963] some say the Allies didn't really help us ... But listen, one cannot deny that the Americans shipped over to us material without which we could not have equipped our armies held in reserve or been able to continue the war."

https://www.rbth.com/defence/2016/03/14/lend-lease-how-american-supplies-aided-the-ussr-in-its-darkest-hour_575559

""Your decision, Mr. President, to give the Soviet Union an interest-free credit of $1 billion in the form of materiel supplies and raw materials has been accepted by the Soviet government with heartfelt gratitude as urgent aid to the Soviet Union in its enormous and difficult fight against the common enemy bloodthirsty Hitlerism," Stalin wrote to Roosevelt."

https://www.rferl.org/a/did-us-lend-lease-aid-tip-the-balance-in-soviet-fight-against-nazi-germany/30599486.html

"Soviet dictator Josef Stalin raised a toast to the Lend-Lease program at the November 1943 Tehran conference with British Prime Minister Winston Churchill and U.S. President Franklin Roosevelt.

"I want to tell you what, from the Russian point of view, the president and the United States have done for victory in this war," Stalin said. "The most important things in this war are the machines.... The United States is a country of machines. Without the machines we received through Lend-Lease, we would have lost the war.""

"However, the real significance of Lend-Lease for the Soviet war effort was that it covered the "sensitive points" of Soviet production -- gasoline, explosives, aluminum, nonferrous metals, radio communications, and so on, says historian Boris Sokolov.

"In a hypothetical battle one-on-one between the U.S.S.R and Germany, without the help of Lend-Lease and without the diversion of significant forces of the Luftwaffe and the German Navy and the diversion of more than one-quarter of its land forces in the fight against Britain and the United States, Stalin could hardly have beaten Hitler," Sokolov wrote in an essay for RFE/RL's Russian Service."

Un grand merci

Toujours le même argument :rire2: gneugneu le prêt
Ok d'accord, les russes ont gagné grâce au prêt, ils ont donc gagné.
Ton "grand merci" est pour les russes je suppose donc ?

Le 08 mai 2025 à 11:57:21 RachelKheyKhey7 a écrit :

Le 08 mai 2025 à 11:53:15 :
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lend-Lease

"According to the Russian historian Boris Vadimovich Sokolov, Lend-Lease had a crucial role in winning the war:

On the whole the following conclusion can be drawn: that without these Western shipments under Lend-Lease the Soviet Union not only would not have been able to win the Great Patriotic War, it would not have been able even to oppose the German invaders, since it could not itself produce sufficient quantities of arms and military equipment or adequate supplies of fuel and ammunition. The Soviet authorities were well aware of this dependency on Lend-Lease. Thus, Stalin told Harry Hopkins [FDR's emissary to Moscow in July 1941] that the U.S.S.R. could not match Germany's might as an occupier of Europe and its resources."

"Nikita Khrushchev, having served as a military commissar and intermediary between Stalin and his generals during the war, addressed directly the significance of Lend-lease aid in his memoirs:

I would like to express my candid opinion about Stalin's views on whether the Red Army and the Soviet Union could have coped with Nazi Germany and survived the war without aid from the United States and Britain. First, I would like to tell about some remarks Stalin made and repeated several times when we were "discussing freely" among ourselves. He stated bluntly that if the United States had not helped us, we would not have won the war. If we had had to fight Nazi Germany one on one, we could not have stood up against Germany's pressure, and we would have lost the war. No one ever discussed this subject officially, and I don't think Stalin left any written evidence of his opinion, but I will state here that several times in conversations with me he noted that these were the actual circumstances. He never made a special point of holding a conversation on the subject, but when we were engaged in some kind of relaxed conversation, going over international questions of the past and present, and when we would return to the subject of the path we had traveled during the war, that is what he said. When I listened to his remarks, I was fully in agreement with him, and today I am even more so."

"In a confidential interview with the wartime correspondent Konstantin Simonov, the Soviet Marshal Georgy Zhukov is quoted as saying:

Today [1963] some say the Allies didn't really help us ... But listen, one cannot deny that the Americans shipped over to us material without which we could not have equipped our armies held in reserve or been able to continue the war."

https://www.rbth.com/defence/2016/03/14/lend-lease-how-american-supplies-aided-the-ussr-in-its-darkest-hour_575559

""Your decision, Mr. President, to give the Soviet Union an interest-free credit of $1 billion in the form of materiel supplies and raw materials has been accepted by the Soviet government with heartfelt gratitude as urgent aid to the Soviet Union in its enormous and difficult fight against the common enemy bloodthirsty Hitlerism," Stalin wrote to Roosevelt."

https://www.rferl.org/a/did-us-lend-lease-aid-tip-the-balance-in-soviet-fight-against-nazi-germany/30599486.html

"Soviet dictator Josef Stalin raised a toast to the Lend-Lease program at the November 1943 Tehran conference with British Prime Minister Winston Churchill and U.S. President Franklin Roosevelt.

"I want to tell you what, from the Russian point of view, the president and the United States have done for victory in this war," Stalin said. "The most important things in this war are the machines.... The United States is a country of machines. Without the machines we received through Lend-Lease, we would have lost the war.""

"However, the real significance of Lend-Lease for the Soviet war effort was that it covered the "sensitive points" of Soviet production -- gasoline, explosives, aluminum, nonferrous metals, radio communications, and so on, says historian Boris Sokolov.

"In a hypothetical battle one-on-one between the U.S.S.R and Germany, without the help of Lend-Lease and without the diversion of significant forces of the Luftwaffe and the German Navy and the diversion of more than one-quarter of its land forces in the fight against Britain and the United States, Stalin could hardly have beaten Hitler," Sokolov wrote in an essay for RFE/RL's Russian Service."

Un grand merci

Toujours le même argument :rire2: gneugneu le prêt
Ok d'accord, les russes ont gagné grâce au prêt, ils ont donc gagné.
Ton "grand merci" est pour les russes je suppose donc ?

Pour tous les alliés, donc URSS compris https://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2017/13/1490886827-risibo.png

Par contre ton merci lui il est que pour les russes je me trompe ? https://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2018/26/7/1530476579-reupjesus.png

Le 08 mai 2025 à 11:58:36 :

Le 08 mai 2025 à 11:57:21 RachelKheyKhey7 a écrit :

Le 08 mai 2025 à 11:53:15 :
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lend-Lease

"According to the Russian historian Boris Vadimovich Sokolov, Lend-Lease had a crucial role in winning the war:

On the whole the following conclusion can be drawn: that without these Western shipments under Lend-Lease the Soviet Union not only would not have been able to win the Great Patriotic War, it would not have been able even to oppose the German invaders, since it could not itself produce sufficient quantities of arms and military equipment or adequate supplies of fuel and ammunition. The Soviet authorities were well aware of this dependency on Lend-Lease. Thus, Stalin told Harry Hopkins [FDR's emissary to Moscow in July 1941] that the U.S.S.R. could not match Germany's might as an occupier of Europe and its resources."

"Nikita Khrushchev, having served as a military commissar and intermediary between Stalin and his generals during the war, addressed directly the significance of Lend-lease aid in his memoirs:

I would like to express my candid opinion about Stalin's views on whether the Red Army and the Soviet Union could have coped with Nazi Germany and survived the war without aid from the United States and Britain. First, I would like to tell about some remarks Stalin made and repeated several times when we were "discussing freely" among ourselves. He stated bluntly that if the United States had not helped us, we would not have won the war. If we had had to fight Nazi Germany one on one, we could not have stood up against Germany's pressure, and we would have lost the war. No one ever discussed this subject officially, and I don't think Stalin left any written evidence of his opinion, but I will state here that several times in conversations with me he noted that these were the actual circumstances. He never made a special point of holding a conversation on the subject, but when we were engaged in some kind of relaxed conversation, going over international questions of the past and present, and when we would return to the subject of the path we had traveled during the war, that is what he said. When I listened to his remarks, I was fully in agreement with him, and today I am even more so."

"In a confidential interview with the wartime correspondent Konstantin Simonov, the Soviet Marshal Georgy Zhukov is quoted as saying:

Today [1963] some say the Allies didn't really help us ... But listen, one cannot deny that the Americans shipped over to us material without which we could not have equipped our armies held in reserve or been able to continue the war."

https://www.rbth.com/defence/2016/03/14/lend-lease-how-american-supplies-aided-the-ussr-in-its-darkest-hour_575559

""Your decision, Mr. President, to give the Soviet Union an interest-free credit of $1 billion in the form of materiel supplies and raw materials has been accepted by the Soviet government with heartfelt gratitude as urgent aid to the Soviet Union in its enormous and difficult fight against the common enemy bloodthirsty Hitlerism," Stalin wrote to Roosevelt."

https://www.rferl.org/a/did-us-lend-lease-aid-tip-the-balance-in-soviet-fight-against-nazi-germany/30599486.html

"Soviet dictator Josef Stalin raised a toast to the Lend-Lease program at the November 1943 Tehran conference with British Prime Minister Winston Churchill and U.S. President Franklin Roosevelt.

"I want to tell you what, from the Russian point of view, the president and the United States have done for victory in this war," Stalin said. "The most important things in this war are the machines.... The United States is a country of machines. Without the machines we received through Lend-Lease, we would have lost the war.""

"However, the real significance of Lend-Lease for the Soviet war effort was that it covered the "sensitive points" of Soviet production -- gasoline, explosives, aluminum, nonferrous metals, radio communications, and so on, says historian Boris Sokolov.

"In a hypothetical battle one-on-one between the U.S.S.R and Germany, without the help of Lend-Lease and without the diversion of significant forces of the Luftwaffe and the German Navy and the diversion of more than one-quarter of its land forces in the fight against Britain and the United States, Stalin could hardly have beaten Hitler," Sokolov wrote in an essay for RFE/RL's Russian Service."

Un grand merci

Toujours le même argument :rire2: gneugneu le prêt
Ok d'accord, les russes ont gagné grâce au prêt, ils ont donc gagné.
Ton "grand merci" est pour les russes je suppose donc ?

Pour tous les alliés, donc URSS compris https://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2017/13/1490886827-risibo.png

Par contre ton merci lui il est que pour les russes je me trompe ? https://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2018/26/7/1530476579-reupjesus.png

Pour tous les alliés aussi, comme déjà posté auparavant. Tu noteras que d'autres ont plus de mal à le dire

Le 08 mai 2025 à 11:47:14 :

Le 08 mai 2025 à 11:42:02 :

Le 08 mai 2025 à 02:31:00 :

Le 08 mai 2025 à 00:34:35 :

Le 08 mai 2025 à 00:06:35 :
https://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2025/19/4/1746655499-unknown.jpeg demain nous célébrerons la victoire face à l'occupant allemand, au nom de tous les patriotes français, et ils sont nombreux sur ce topic, un grand merci aux russes d'avoir ANEANTI l'occupant :cimer:

C'est juste dommage que l'occupant russe actuel, plus précisément son pouvoir et une partie de son armée, perpétuent les mêmes actes immondes que ceux qu'ils ont vaincu

Même inhumanité, même logique prédatrice, même impérialisme, etc.

je les remercie pour avoir libéré notre pays de l'envahisseur, toi non ?

https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lib%C3%A9ration_de_la_France
Libération de la France

https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chronologie_de_la_Lib%C3%A9ration_en_France
Chronologie de la Libération en France

J'ai beau chercher, je vois pas une seule ligne parlant de l'URSS https://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2018/10/1/1520260980-risitas94.png

USA, Britanniques, Canada, Maroc, Pologne même !

Mais pas une seule division soviétique :ok:

Puis bon, Staline/URSS :

  • Responsable de massacres équivalent au H
  • Partage de la Pologne avec le H en 39
  • Pas bougé jusqu'à ce que le H les envahisse 3 ans plus tard
  • Occupe la moitié de l'Europe pendant 50 ans en instaurant des régimes dictatoriaux, Stasi, etc
  • Fini en beauté en faisant péter Tchernobyl, qui a bien failli rendre invivable toute l'Europe

C'est ça qu'il faudrait remercier ? :rire:

Les Français de 1945 savaient très bien à qui ils devaient leur liberté, à l'Armée rouge, victorieuse à Moscou, à Stalingrad et à Koursk.

Quand un ours t'aide à te débarrasser d'un loup, tu te barres ensuite, tu remercies pas l'ours pour te faire bouffer ensuite :)

L'alternative aux dictatures en Europe de l'est c'était l'extermination pure et simple de ses habitants au profit de colons allemands. Donc je pense qu'effectivement, ils pourraient remercier les Soviétiques.

Sauf que je réponds à sa question à savoir :
"je les remercie pour avoir libéré notre pays de l'envahisseur, toi non ?"

Le 08 mai 2025 à 12:00:34 :

Le 08 mai 2025 à 11:47:14 :

Le 08 mai 2025 à 11:42:02 :

Le 08 mai 2025 à 02:31:00 :

Le 08 mai 2025 à 00:34:35 :

> Le 08 mai 2025 à 00:06:35 :

> https://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2025/19/4/1746655499-unknown.jpeg demain nous célébrerons la victoire face à l'occupant allemand, au nom de tous les patriotes français, et ils sont nombreux sur ce topic, un grand merci aux russes d'avoir ANEANTI l'occupant :cimer:

C'est juste dommage que l'occupant russe actuel, plus précisément son pouvoir et une partie de son armée, perpétuent les mêmes actes immondes que ceux qu'ils ont vaincu

Même inhumanité, même logique prédatrice, même impérialisme, etc.

je les remercie pour avoir libéré notre pays de l'envahisseur, toi non ?

https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lib%C3%A9ration_de_la_France
Libération de la France

https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chronologie_de_la_Lib%C3%A9ration_en_France
Chronologie de la Libération en France

J'ai beau chercher, je vois pas une seule ligne parlant de l'URSS https://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2018/10/1/1520260980-risitas94.png

USA, Britanniques, Canada, Maroc, Pologne même !

Mais pas une seule division soviétique :ok:

Puis bon, Staline/URSS :

  • Responsable de massacres équivalent au H
  • Partage de la Pologne avec le H en 39
  • Pas bougé jusqu'à ce que le H les envahisse 3 ans plus tard
  • Occupe la moitié de l'Europe pendant 50 ans en instaurant des régimes dictatoriaux, Stasi, etc
  • Fini en beauté en faisant péter Tchernobyl, qui a bien failli rendre invivable toute l'Europe

C'est ça qu'il faudrait remercier ? :rire:

Les Français de 1945 savaient très bien à qui ils devaient leur liberté, à l'Armée rouge, victorieuse à Moscou, à Stalingrad et à Koursk.

Quand un ours t'aide à te débarrasser d'un loup, tu te barres ensuite, tu remercies pas l'ours pour te faire bouffer ensuite :)

L'alternative aux dictatures en Europe de l'est c'était l'extermination pure et simple de ses habitants au profit de colons allemands. Donc je pense qu'effectivement, ils pourraient remercier les Soviétiques.

Sauf que je réponds à sa question à savoir :
"je les remercie pour avoir libéré notre pays de l'envahisseur, toi non ?"

Sauf que c'est l'écrasement de l'Allemagne à l'est qui a ensuite permis aux autres alliés de libérer notre pays

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