Messi est le GOAT

Le 07 février 2023 à 02:40:30 :

Le 07 février 2023 à 02:38:27 :

Le 07 février 2023 à 02:38:02 :
Bah nan si ce n'est que tu te trompes de deux places :
1-Pelé
2- Maradona
3- Messi

j'ai exactement le même top3

mais quels sont tes arguments en faveur de Pelé il est resté au Bréssil toute sa carrière il a 3 CDM y en a une ou il était totalement blessé, Garrincha était meilleur que lui à son époque déjà

retrouvé https://www.jeuxvideo.com/forums/42-51-71481374-1-0-1-0-pele-3-coupes-du-monde-1300-buts-triple-en-1-2-a-17-ans-110-buts-en-74-matchs-21-ans.htm

Le 07 février 2023 à 02:47:26 :

Le 07 février 2023 à 02:40:30 :

Le 07 février 2023 à 02:38:27 :

Le 07 février 2023 à 02:38:02 :
Bah nan si ce n'est que tu te trompes de deux places :
1-Pelé
2- Maradona
3- Messi

j'ai exactement le même top3

mais quels sont tes arguments en faveur de Pelé il est resté au Bréssil toute sa carrière il a 3 CDM y en a une ou il était totalement blessé, Garrincha était meilleur que lui à son époque déjà

J'ai un argument péremptoire qui ne peut être contesté et réfuté pour le coup. Et je dit ça de manière impartiale

Oui Pelé a joué dans le Championnat Brésilien toute sa carrière ou presque MAIS ... (et j'ai d'ailleurs fait un topic sur ça, je vais essayer de le retrouver), 99% des joueurs Sud Américains (Garrincha, Pelé, Vava, Didi, Totsao, Carlos Alberto, Djalma Santos, Gilmar .. Tous sans exception ont passé l'intégralité de leur carrière de haut niveau au Brésil )

il en va de même pour les joueurs des autres très grosses nations Américaines de l'époque. A savoir le Pérou, l'Uruguay et l'Argentine ...

Si bien que (et c'est de ça dont parlait mon topic) lors des confrontations entre le vainqueur de la Copa Libertadors (La ligue des champions Sud Américaines pour ceux qui savent pas)
et les vainqueurs de la Ligue des Champions Européennes ! dans 70/75% des cas pendant près de 40 ans, c'est l'Amérique du Sud qui a emporté cette coupe intercontinentale

Santos de Pelé a par exemple battu l'Ac Milan et le Benfica en matchs aller-retours (double vainqueur de C1 à l'époque et meilleure équipe Européenne) avec les équipes au complet de part et d'autres avec les grands noms. C'était des confontrations très attendues et prestigieuses à l'époque

Le championnat Brésilien et de manière générale les Championnats Brésiliens et Argentins étaient ce qui se faisaient de mieux sur la planète devant nos championnats Européens !

Et c'est un sacré arugement pour le coup je trouve

j'entends les arguments et bien sur que Pelé est top 3 après pour moi Messi reste au dessus de part la domination qu'il a fait les 91 buts en 1 an, la CDM avec l'Argentine, y a + de concurrence que à l'époque quand même et à l'époque de Pelé ça restait plus facile de boost niveau buts aussi de toute façon personne ne l'a vu jouer ça reste difficile d'être objectif dessus

Le 07 février 2023 à 02:38:27 :

Le 07 février 2023 à 02:38:02 :
Bah nan si ce n'est que tu te trompes de deux places :
1-Pelé
2- Maradona
3- Messi

j'ai exactement le même top3

Après Kylian à le potentiel d'aller chercher ce top 3, ça dépendra de la direction que prendra sa carrière, par exemple si il gagne une autre WC d'office je pourrais le placé au pied du podium en 4 ème place, si les résultats collectif individuel en club suivent alors qui sait où il pourrait aller

Le 07 février 2023 à 02:57:17 :

Le 07 février 2023 à 02:47:26 :

Le 07 février 2023 à 02:40:30 :

Le 07 février 2023 à 02:38:27 :

Le 07 février 2023 à 02:38:02 :
Bah nan si ce n'est que tu te trompes de deux places :
1-Pelé
2- Maradona
3- Messi

j'ai exactement le même top3

mais quels sont tes arguments en faveur de Pelé il est resté au Bréssil toute sa carrière il a 3 CDM y en a une ou il était totalement blessé, Garrincha était meilleur que lui à son époque déjà

J'ai un argument péremptoire qui ne peut être contesté et réfuté pour le coup. Et je dit ça de manière impartiale

Oui Pelé a joué dans le Championnat Brésilien toute sa carrière ou presque MAIS ... (et j'ai d'ailleurs fait un topic sur ça, je vais essayer de le retrouver), 99% des joueurs Sud Américains (Garrincha, Pelé, Vava, Didi, Totsao, Carlos Alberto, Djalma Santos, Gilmar .. Tous sans exception ont passé l'intégralité de leur carrière de haut niveau au Brésil )

il en va de même pour les joueurs des autres très grosses nations Américaines de l'époque. A savoir le Pérou, l'Uruguay et l'Argentine ...

Si bien que (et c'est de ça dont parlait mon topic) lors des confrontations entre le vainqueur de la Copa Libertadors (La ligue des champions Sud Américaines pour ceux qui savent pas)
et les vainqueurs de la Ligue des Champions Européennes ! dans 70/75% des cas pendant près de 40 ans, c'est l'Amérique du Sud qui a emporté cette coupe intercontinentale

Santos de Pelé a par exemple battu l'Ac Milan et le Benfica en matchs aller-retours (double vainqueur de C1 à l'époque et meilleure équipe Européenne) avec les équipes au complet de part et d'autres avec les grands noms. C'était des confontrations très attendues et prestigieuses à l'époque

Le championnat Brésilien et de manière générale les Championnats Brésiliens et Argentins étaient ce qui se faisaient de mieux sur la planète devant nos championnats Européens !

Et c'est un sacré arugement pour le coup je trouve

j'entends les arguments et bien sur que Pelé est top 3 après pour moi Messi reste au dessus de part la domination qu'il a fait les 91 buts en 1 an, la CDM avec l'Argentine, y a + de concurrence que à l'époque quand même et à l'époque de Pelé ça restait plus facile de boost niveau buts aussi de toute façon personne ne l'a vu jouer ça reste difficile d'être objectif dessus

Après comme a dit un journaliste de l'équipe y a quelques jours sur le débat avec Djokovic ( et je suis d'accord avec lui ), hormis si un sportif a littéralement dominé son sport comme aucun autre (Loeb, Riner, Jordan, Brady, Gretzky, Phelps) c'est difficile d'élire un véritable GOAT ! y en a plusieurs pour plusieurs époques différentes

Mais c'est clair que Messi, Pelé et Maradona sont les 3 qui reviennent le + et qui sont éligibles tout autant l'un que l'autre ! Messi et Pelé encore un peu + sans doute

Donc oui que tu dises Messi est le GOAT ça s'entends

Le 07 février 2023 à 03:02:23 :
Arrêtez avec votre argument on l’a pas vu jouer vous êtes ridicules, Napoléon on était pas né pourtant on sait 2,3 trucs sur lui les footix

Les 2 arguments pas valables pour moi pour les détracteurs de Pelé c'est :

1-) Il a joué au Brésil, championnat de merde, donc ça veut rien dire. C'est faux à tous les niveaux

2-) Il jouait avec des fermiers. Certes les défenseurs étaient sans doute moins fort que ceux d'aujourd'hui c'est même une quasi certitude, mais je pense pas que c'était des peintres pour autant, et qu'ils étaient très bons malgré tout. Et puis ... Le talent ça ne s'achète pas. Pelé à notre époque en étant ultra sérieux et professionnel avec les entraînements spécifiques, la nutrition et les exercices physiques modernes, ça aurait été un Mbappé bis puisqu'ils ont à peu près le même jeu, même si Pelé est beaucoup plus technique

Le 07 février 2023 à 02:57:17 :

Le 07 février 2023 à 02:47:26 :

Le 07 février 2023 à 02:40:30 :

Le 07 février 2023 à 02:38:27 :

Le 07 février 2023 à 02:38:02 :
Bah nan si ce n'est que tu te trompes de deux places :
1-Pelé
2- Maradona
3- Messi

j'ai exactement le même top3

mais quels sont tes arguments en faveur de Pelé il est resté au Bréssil toute sa carrière il a 3 CDM y en a une ou il était totalement blessé, Garrincha était meilleur que lui à son époque déjà

J'ai un argument péremptoire qui ne peut être contesté et réfuté pour le coup. Et je dit ça de manière impartiale

Oui Pelé a joué dans le Championnat Brésilien toute sa carrière ou presque MAIS ... (et j'ai d'ailleurs fait un topic sur ça, je vais essayer de le retrouver), 99% des joueurs Sud Américains (Garrincha, Pelé, Vava, Didi, Totsao, Carlos Alberto, Djalma Santos, Gilmar .. Tous sans exception ont passé l'intégralité de leur carrière de haut niveau au Brésil )

il en va de même pour les joueurs des autres très grosses nations Américaines de l'époque. A savoir le Pérou, l'Uruguay et l'Argentine ...

Si bien que (et c'est de ça dont parlait mon topic) lors des confrontations entre le vainqueur de la Copa Libertadors (La ligue des champions Sud Américaines pour ceux qui savent pas)
et les vainqueurs de la Ligue des Champions Européennes ! dans 70/75% des cas pendant près de 40 ans, c'est l'Amérique du Sud qui a emporté cette coupe intercontinentale

Santos de Pelé a par exemple battu l'Ac Milan et le Benfica en matchs aller-retours (double vainqueur de C1 à l'époque et meilleure équipe Européenne) avec les équipes au complet de part et d'autres avec les grands noms. C'était des confontrations très attendues et prestigieuses à l'époque

Le championnat Brésilien et de manière générale les Championnats Brésiliens et Argentins étaient ce qui se faisaient de mieux sur la planète devant nos championnats Européens !

Et c'est un sacré arugement pour le coup je trouve

j'entends les arguments et bien sur que Pelé est top 3 après pour moi Messi reste au dessus de part la domination qu'il a fait les 91 buts en 1 an, la CDM avec l'Argentine, y a + de concurrence que à l'époque quand même et à l'époque de Pelé ça restait plus facile de boost niveau buts aussi de toute façon personne ne l'a vu jouer ça reste difficile d'être objectif dessus

91 buts en un an, ok, mais sa quel trophée il a win en 2012, pas la LDC en tout cas.
Sa CDM (assez litigieuse niveau péno généreux pour les argentins) cool mais Pelé en à 3 et tant que personne ira chercher les 3 WC il restera au sommet de la pyramide c'est comme sa.
L'époque de Pelé était bien plus dur pour les raison que j'ai mentionné en haut, une époque full attentats, des carrière brisé a chaque saison etc a cause de blessures très graves, du temps de Messi tu as eu CR7 , un peu avant il y avait tout une galaxie de joueur colle Zidane R9 Beckham etc ..
Mais au temps de Pelé il n'y avait que Pelé, seul lui a performer a ce niveau donc finalement bien plus difficile de boost vu que aucun de ses autres attaquant n'avait ne serait-ce que la moitié du nombres de buts qu'il marqué dans cette époque dangereuse.

Peut importe ton avis en fait, celui qu'on nomme le Roi c'est feu Pelé, celui qui est considéré comme le GOAT c'est Pelé, va sur sa page wiki lire la description...
Encore une fois tant qu'un joueur ira pas taper les 3 WC aucun débat sera possible.
Mais Messi est extra, un génie, un super joueur, et il mérite d'être dans ce podium

Le 07 février 2023 à 02:50:49 :

Le 07 février 2023 à 02:40:44 :

Le 07 février 2023 à 02:34:35 :
Messi est effectivement le GOAT absolu de l'histoire du football et du sport en général, et il a brisé les francix.

Il n'a rien brisé du tout c'est E. Martinez qui a brisé les bleus.

Le 07 février 2023 à 02:40:30 :

Le 07 février 2023 à 02:38:27 :

Le 07 février 2023 à 02:38:02 :
Bah nan si ce n'est que tu te trompes de deux places :
1-Pelé
2- Maradona
3- Messi

j'ai exactement le même top3

mais quels sont tes arguments en faveur de Pelé il est resté au Bréssil toute sa carrière il a 3 CDM y en a une ou il était totalement blessé, Garrincha était meilleur que lui à son époque déjà

A l'époque de Pelé le niveau du championnat brésilien n'avait rien à envier à l'Europe et quand Santos fesait des tournée européenne ils mettaient des fessé au vieux continent.

Ensuite jusqu'à 1970 il a jouer dans un foot ou il n'y avait pas de carton, c'était une boucherie, tu vois les joueurs d'aujourd'hui qui ce roule par terre pour 3 fois rien?
Ba Pelé a subit bien pire, Messi et CR7 aurait pas tenu physiquement avec tout ces attentat vu comment ils paraissent fragile a leur époque.
Ce que fait Messi Pelé le fesait sur un terrain ressemblant a un champ de patates, doublé de flaque de merde, triplé d'un ballon qui pesait 10kg, quadruple de crampons finit a la pisse moins résistant qu'un Iphone.

je suis totalement d'accord

At WC 2006 Messi was not a superstart yet He was still a teenager. That being said his talent was already obvious to the world. But he was not s starter. Pekerman, Argentina's manager, set to play a 4 4 2 diamond, meaning that Messi's natural position at the right wing was not available. There were only 2 positions that Messi could occupy. The center forward role and the number 10 position. But Saviola and Crespo, players far more experienced and recognized, were the 2 center forwards. Riquielme was playing as the number 10 and at this time, it was impossible to drop him. Messi played 122 minutes out all the 480 minutes Argentina played. Messi was introcued replacing Mexi Rodriguez agianst Serbia while Argentina already was winning 3 0. With Messi's introduction, Riquelme moved deeper on the pitch. Messi's first contribution was receiving from Riquelme and dribbling past his man. Messi and Riquielme, spotted a weakness and played a quick free kick. Messi squared the perfect ball for Crespo to tuck in. Tavez was also playing as a center forward. Crespo, the superstar back then, was partnering him. Tevez was running in behind, dropping deep, pulling out wide. to sniff out every opportunities. These 4 combined perfectly. Messi started the folllowing match upfront with Tevez. But the game ended up 0 0 with much goal chances. And the problem of Argentina's shape started to emerge and for the round of 16, Messi found himself again on the bench. The game being 1 1, Pwkerman pulled out his ace and bring on Messi. it almost worked. With almost the last kick of the game, Messi had scored a goal.

But the goal was called offside. Against lesser opponents, Messi could play in the 10 role as Riquelme playing deeper could still drift around without worrying too much about being exploited defensivly. Better teams could take advantage of this so against Netherlands and Mexico, Riquelme played the 10 role. So when they played both at the same time, Messi had to play more as a traditionnal center forward. But Messi wasn't yet at his fully best on top especially if opponents opted to get more physical. So Messi dropped in 10 role but Riquelme alraedy playing this role, they got into each other at times, reducing the effectivness of both. So on extra time Argentina had to rely on an absolute stunner to get them to the next round. Against Germany in quarter final Messi dropped back on the bench because of the tactical problems from the prevoous match. Pekerman didn't want to bring Messi on it would affect the balance of its side. Argentina would loose to penalties against Germany after 0 0 score. Pekerman said to Messi that he knew that he could become the best player in the world but that wasn't his world cup yet. He told that Messi's world cup would be the one held in South Africa. The world cup was held in 2010, with Messi wearing the iconic Argentina's number 10 shirt. Argentina's manager was the legend Maradona himself. Maradona had a few management experience but went on to retire before being dragged out of his retirement for thie world cup. During the qualifications for World Cup, Maradona used one hundred of diferent players. But there was not a correlation between the amout a time a player would play with the odd of this player making it to the world cup. At the end of the day, it was a matter of if Maradona was a fan or got along with the player. The biggest victim of that was Riquelme who went on missing the world cup.

The inconsistency of Maradona's argentina was seen during the qualifications with Argentina only finishing fourth. Maradona was accused of having bad or no tactics at all in this world cup. In 8 matches under Maradona, Messi scored only 1 goal in 8 appearances. Maradona also opeted for a 4 4 2 diamond with Heinze and Gutierrez as the fullbacks. Rodriguez and initially Di Maria would flank Mascherano in that miedfield. Messi would be the 10 behind Higuain and Tevez. Mascherano established himself as an elite miedfielder so he was started in central position The 2 guys flanking him, Rodriguez and Di Maria was in fact 2 miedfielders being forced to tuck in as cental miedfielders. Heinze despite his best efforts was not an up and down fullback. Gutizrrez could as a natural miedfielder, push up but generally thse fullbacks were not that great at providing width. It was because Maradona had crammed all his talented players throught the spine. So with the ball Di Maria would immediatly attack the wing Rodriguez and Mascherano could then shift into a double pivot. It left the right side vacated so Higuain would often pop from center forward position Not the ideal situation so Rodriguez would often drift to the right wing. Messi has transitionned between 2006 and 2010 from an inverted winger to a false 9 meaning that the 10 position was one step deeper than he was used to play. But Messi being Messi at times he could make it work. Plus with Messsi receiving between the lines, Higuain and Tevez were mobile enough to move out wide, dropping deep or at time interchanging with Messi. The third goal in the 4 1 match against South Korea was the best example of this. Argentina would then emerge victorious 3 1 against Mexico against in the round of 16.
But the tactical problems they had experienced were emphasized Superior talent was no longer enough. The problem with Di Maria and Rodriguez wide roles meant that Mascherano would be often isolated. Opposite teams would often look to man mark him or commit 2 mens when the double pivot Rodriguez joined him. Argentina had 2 solutions against this. Either the one they choose against Mexico with all their talents being upfront and Mascherano being the only miedfield and get the ball from back to front as quickly as possible. They sacrified the control of the miedfield, resulting in a basketball style end to end encounter. Even Maradona had to accept that this all out attack strategy was untenable. Second solution to support Mascherano and Rodriguez was having Messi to drop deeper and deeper until he popped up as a traditionnal miedfielder.This was not the 2022 version of Messi who was used to this but the 2010 one who went from inverted winger to false 9, with blistering pace, amazing dribbling ability and incredible eye for goal. But at times he played so deep that he could barely see the goal. Before the tournament Maradona had considered playing a 4 4 2 with Veron instead of Rodriguez and Messi as the forward floating around. But Tevez was playing to well to be dropped so to accomodate tevez and the talented forwards, Messi had to play deeper. People said that if Messi was here vs Germany in 2006 he would have make the difference and now Messi had the chance to proof it in 2010 as Argentina would face Germany again in the quarter finals. But Germany had Khedira, Ozil, Muller, Kross, Neuer, talented youngsters who would become superstars later, mixed with established world class players like Schweinsteiger , Klose and Lahm.
When defending the Germans sat in 4 2 3 1 formation with Ozil glued to Mascherano. The wingers would tuck narrow to cover the passing lanes higher up the pitch. With Rodriguez and Di Maria attacking the flanks whenever Messi dropped deeper to receive the ball the Germans immediatly flooded him, suffocating him. Argentina could not get the ball to their talented forwards in good zones. Messi dropped deeper and deeper but the Germans tailed him and to make matters worse, Germany were looking to exploit another Argentina's weakness, the fullbacks. When the fullbacks looked to push up to provide width, this would create huge gaps in the defense during transitions from opponents. Also, injuries meant that a youg Nicola Otamendi had to play out of position as a right back. WHatever Germany won the ball in the crowded center of the pitch, Podolski and Muller would attack the flanks with ferocity. It led up to the first goal. Second goal saw Di Maria being drawn out of meidfield to fall back for attack. Khedira walks past Messi Otamendi was 2 v 1 situation. Otamendi over committed, allowing Podolski to make the run on the outside to assist Klose. The third and fourth goal were pretty much similar, while the first one was Germany exploiting Mascherano being the solde central meidfielder and switching to Podolski in the left wing, where Otamendi over commited and fouled him, leading to the free kick and allowing Germany to score their first goal. Back in the home, the theory that Messi only over performed with his club was beginning to take some credence. He would have to wait another 4 more years to have another shot.

This 2014 world cup wwould be hoested by Argentina's rivals, Brazil. The pressure was bigger than never. In the 2011 copa america, Messi's side disappointed squeaking past the group stage before immediatly being knocked out by Uruguay in quarter finals on penalties. Argentina's manager in 2014 was Alejandro Sabella. Sabella was more thinking about safety. he started the tournament with a back 3. Despite having Zabaleta as a great right back and a solid Rojo on the left handside, neither of them were traditionnal wingbacks. So even when they were very hgih on 1 v 1 situations they weren't diferent speakers. The extra man on defense was a manner to maintain more defensive solidity. However the miedfield against Bosnia was still the same that the Maradona's one in the WC 2010. With Di Maria and Rodriguez splitting to support the wingbacks, Mascherano would be once against isolated. Rodriguez even when dropping deeper alongside him, was not a natural dee miedfielder so ball progression was not his speciality. It evolved into familiar situation with Messi having to drop deep leaving Aguero isolated. Argentina ended up winnign 2 1 barely. But more important than the win were the half times substitutions. Gago came instead of Rodriguez and Higuain played as the second forward alongside Aguero. Now Messi was trully a 10 in this diamond formation. Messi ended up an inonic goal after combining with Higuain. Sabella then stuck with the diamond shape. But next match against Iran was 0 0 until the extra time where a Messi's magic moment gave them the win. Messi scored then twice against Nigeria. But they conceded 2 goals showing that the diamong miedfield was still vulnerable and for the same reasons than Maradona did.
4 years earlier Maradona adapted his side to fit Tevez but now Sabella adapted his side to make Messi to get the best out of Messi. Argentina switched to a 4 2 3 1 with Aguero being dropped on the bench. This had a double several benefits. Firstly doubel pivot meant MAscherano would not be overloaded anymore and also quality players like Lavezzi and Di Maria in the wings allowed Messi to thrive in the 10 rule. This shape helped Argentina winning the match against Switzerland in the extra time. Building with the double pivot the attackers could stay higher on the pitch Messi was supported in this 10 role by Higuain on the side That freed Di Maria on the right side to finish from Messi's assist. This shape carried Argentina past way until the final, passing Belgium in the quarter finals, and Netherlands in the semi finals. Argentina had the chance to take their revenge against the nation who broke their dreams on 2 several occasions : Germany. But Germany was similar from previou tournament except with even more experience. They were high on confidence after demolishing 7 1 on the semi final and all the youngsters from WC 2010 were now world class. Di Maria couldn't play due to an ijury but Perez took his place. Di Maria was crucial in Argentina's path. Argentina wanted to lean on their defensive capability and their ability on the counter. When Germany had the ball, Argentina sat in 4 4 2 looking to keep Messi and Higuain behind the ball withthe narrow wingers helping to compact the space. But when Argentina was on the ball, Germany swarmed them like bees. It was priem German football when Klopp and Guardiola were training Bundesliga's team, Bayern Munich and Dortmund, setting up complexe pressing systems that would win the ball back in mere seconds.

That translated into the national team. Germany's miedfield 3 ended with superior pass accurary compared to Argentina's miedfield. Argentina wanted to capitalize the counter attacks with Messi starting them, looking to hit Germany hard and fast. Higuain infamously had a poor finishing this final just like Palatio. But Messi himself wasn't perfect. In early second half Germany over committed, allowing Argentina to pick up the ball. Messi made the run between the center backs and was foud with a perfect pass. It took a great first touch. Messi now needed to beat the best goalkepper in the world, Manuel Neuer. His shoot went wide and it would be the biggest chance he would have the entire game. In extra time after a great run from Andre Schurle, Mario Gotez received from his chest and finished perfectly to win Germany to world cup. Messi wnning the best player award of tournament would be a scanned consolation. It was Messi's best chance. Many view 2018 as Messi's best chance. Sampaoli was the new manager and he had done well with Sevilla and won the copa america with Chile. But things weren't looking good in the qualifying stages. Argentina needed a hat trick from Messi vs Ecuador to allow them to participate in the world cup. People were already wondering if Sampaoli's complex high pressing football could be translated into international football and if he had necessary CV and aura to command a dresssing room like this. He had new starting 11 and formation in every single match. Messi was tested as second stricker with Aguero but also in 3 4 3 with Messi being on the right side vs Croatia and on the right in 4 3 3 vs Nigeria, finally finishing as a false 9 flanked by Di Maria and Pavon. In every matches Argentina struggled badly almost like if every team had figured out a way to counter them as soon as the match started.

First match was a draw vs Iceland who would press high Argentina's center backs and picking up Mascherano which would force long balls to Messi and Aguero against the gigantic Iceland's centre backs. Not the ideal opition. In deeper situations Iceland would defend into a 4 5 1 formation, extremly deep, narrow and compact. Mascherano was struggled for ball progression but he couldn't pass this compact block and Messi struggled to make any impact on the game, even missing a penalty during this match. Argentina's only goal came from Rojo taking a speculative shoot from a terrible angle, scuffing his way so bad that he actually somehow found Aguero who controlled it and finished. Iceland's shape meant Messi had to drop very deep to dribble and create chances almost all by himself. But against Croatia, everything went crashing down. Sampaoli used a 3 4 3 formation with MEssi on the right side with Acuna and Salvio as the wingbacks. It was not their ideal positions. Sampaoli wanted them very wide and to push high to have their forwards more centrally and having Messi to drop in a 10 role. Croatia fof the ball were happy just as Iceland to drop deep and very compact Sometimes Perisic and Rebic, the wingers would drop so deep that they would look like a back 6. It allowed the back 4 to remain compact.The narrow 3 in front of them made it almost impossible to find the forwards in dangerous situations. Messi was only limited to one shoot in this match. To make things worse the wingbacks were given so many attacking responsabilities that they rarely tracked back. It left the back 3 exposed during transitions. And this back 3 was simply not good enough to handle it.

It was shown in Croatia's second goal. The wingbacks were so high that MAscerano had to cover Rebic, leaving a big hole in the miedfield for Modric to exploit. Argentina needed to win against Nigeria to go in the roud of 16 and even if they won, they didn't look like promising at all. Only notable things were a moment of asolute magic from Messi and then Rojo giving them the lead at the end of the match. In the roud of 16 Argentina were knocked out by France 4 3. It showed that when the talents level were more than equal, they struggled tactically. As a throw back to his earlier carrer, Messi was moved in a false 9 position. But idfference is that Messi had the pace waiting for a center back coming at him, only to spin in behing to get away from him. But this time the defenders were more confident in following him deep. Secondly Barcelona had David Villa and Pedro who attacked the space he left vacated. But DI Maria hugging the touchline in the left wing and Pavon doing the same thing meant that the central zones were not occupied outside Messi. Also France were a counter attacking team giving the possesion to Argentina They used their pace on the transitions to dominate. Argentina scored because of some lucky goals like Messi's shot being deflected by Mercado but also individual absolute brillance like Di Maria's equalizer in the first half time. Messi also had to drop below France's team to make an outstanding assist. With Scaloni however, things started to get diferent. Messi led Argentina to copa america's win in 2021 defeating their rival Brazil 1 0. It was followed with a 3 0 win against Italy in the finalissima. Suddently Messi won 2 trophies with Argentina and Messi came back to his balon d'or form at during the 2022 - 2023 season. The 2 first matches saw Argentina using 4 4 2 formation with a double pivot being Paredes and De Paul.
Saudi Arabia front 2 were willing to press the center backs. Or the front 2 coudl sit deeper on the double pivot to prevent any pass to them. So De Paul often dropped in center back position to allow an extra player chooice and the fullbacks to push higher. But the miedfield being vacated meant that Messi had to drop deep again. Against Mexico Enzo Fernandez came to replace Paredes and Julian Alvarez replaced Lautaro Martinez in front. This would change the entire Argentina's course during the world cup. The miedfield was now diferent with one of the pivots dropping into defense with Mc Allistair tucking into the half spaces as the fullback would push up. the ufllback being Tagliafico or Acuna on the left. This meant that Argentina always had at lest a miedfield 3. But with Messi dropping, it could also form a magical miedfield 4. Argentina having an extra man in the miedfield meant that they could work to get Messi as the free men. With Paredes and Fernandez Argentina had not 1 but 2 elite ball progressive talents. So Messi didn't need to drop as much as usual. Alvarez in front also seemed to run on battery as he would never stop pressing the opponent. Also the threat of Alvarez making runs behind was so huge that defenders had to drop deeper to prevent this creating more spaces for Messi.
But if opposition stayed high, Messi had a runner like Alvarez to play into the tiniest of gaps. This was seen against Croatia with Messi drawing a man to allow Alvarez to receive the ball to get the penalty. Against Netherlands in the quarter finals, Messi drawed Ake out of position to make a magical pass to Molina who was the right fullback. In this match Argentina used a 5 3 2 formation. With Alvarez drawing Van DIjk away Messi foud the tiniest space to make his passs allowing Molina to score. And there was also the moment Messi dribbled past Gvardiol in the semi final vs Croatia before passing for Alvarez to finish.Messi did almost 0 pressing since Alvarez's engine meant he could cover half of the region with De Paul taking care of the other side of the pitch. Argentina found itself very balanced.

Le 07 février 2023 à 02:36:00 :
J'étais il y a 6 mois animateur dans un centre aéré pour enfant.

On faisait des activités dehors, et on a décidé d'organiser un match de foot pour les gosses. Pendant le match un enfant a pousser un autre dans la surface, donc en tant qu'arbitre, j'ai laissé le gosse tombé à terre tirer un penalty.

Mais là, ni une ni deux, les buissons se sont mis à bouger et un espèce de nain est sorti en bondissant sur le terrain en criant : "Penalty ? Where ? Where ?"

C'était Pionel Pessi

Il a tiré à la place du gamin, a marqué et est reparti aussi vite que son ombre avec un hélicoptère privé vers la capitale. Je suis encore sous le choc.

Bordel j'ai explosé